Shocking Secrets of the Lost 116 Pages Revealed featuring Don Bradley

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think Nephi is actually playing the role here of the Passover Angel of Death yeah and like whoa he just got so much more

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ba that needs to be inscribed on those armbands

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there was a chick version of tea outcome that looked a lot like Zoe Saldana oh my God

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the dragons Joseph Smith didn't just come up with

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the Book of Mormon on his own here [Music] and that was like an affidavit somewhere

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that somebody wrote that he was a bad person that we actually did have a manuscript

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all kinds of other evidences that all point to the Book of Mormon is starting at Passover

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wait so you know a legit story that was in the Lost 116 pages and I'm still

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sitting through my 15th iteration of the stupid Thomas B Marsh bucket of cream

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story [Music]

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welcome ladies and gentlemen back to Ward radio I'm your host Cardinals and I'm joined in the studio by a superstar

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cast we've got Don Bradley who is author of none other than the Lost 116 Pages oh

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that's just a Shabby paperback I got my heart cover right here Don oh you know I

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have the original plates right here my manuscript of the 100. that's funny

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that's funny we also got Sean Bailey Brad Whitback and Josh Galey joining us all authors at large and today we're

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actually, going to talk about the Lost 116 Pages a book that I have to tell you if you follow us on Twitter or on

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Instagram, I posted several weeks ago I personally am devouring and I have not been as intrigued by a book and as

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riveted to uh a book about the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-Day Saints and

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tangentially our Bickertonite Brothers here on the left um I haven't been riveted to a book like this since Richard bushman's rough Stone

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Rolling so I'm devouring this thing piece by piece so we had to get Don

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Bradley here to talk about uh the man the mystery the Wonder and everything that is the Lost 116 pages so

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um why don't we just start out you can introduce yourself tell us who you are and then what's the coolest thing from

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the Lost 116 pages that you were able to put together so just tell us about yourself the book and then the cool stories that everybody missed because

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they weren't paying attention until you came along and wrote the book so I'm Don Bradley I'm a historian P.S

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cool that that you're unironically showing off right there bro what is that dog this stands for the transformation

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of the human into the Divine or the material into the spiritual oh awesome in the Renaissance it was known as

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squaring the circle and was connected with the symbol for the Philosopher's Stone and that's all over the temple

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right there are symbols yeah similar symbols yeah see I was hoping some kind of cool

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like you know gang tap that you got in prison or something yeah like I mean it's that too theosis is divine as well

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everybody can't show it yeah yeah for real

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so anyway um lost 116 Pages bro tell us all about it man sure so um

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everybody if you grow up LDS uh in primary you hear about how Justice Smith

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lends this manuscript to have 116 pages to Martin Harris and then never gets it back and so everybody knows that there

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were 116 lost pages but nobody knows anything about them like what was in them and so I remember being 11 years

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old and primary teacher was teaching us about this and I just was dumbfounded

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that you know the Book of Mormon is so foundational to Latter-day Saint faith that the idea that we're missing part of

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that foundation stone right it was just mind-blowing to me as a kid and I remember asking the teacher what what

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was in them yeah and of course nobody knew um and so in adult life

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in adult life I became interested in this question more because I wouldn't

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understand first of all it's a great mystery right so for me doing history is solving Mysteries it's detective work

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right so it's kind of like all of our Witnesses are dead but they left behind Clues and testimonies and it falls to us

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to piece together the clues that they left behind like puzzle pieces right figure out what is it a picture of and

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so um I partly it's just a mystery but partly also I want to understand the part of

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the Book of Mormon text that we do have so let me give you an idea of what we're missing okay we say 116 pages but like

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how much of the history is actually gone so a lot of people know the Lost Pages

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as the book of Lehi right that term has been used for it yeah apparently just referring actually to one of the books

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like the first book that was in the Lost manuscript about Lehigh yeah but the um

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the small the last manuscript of the Book of Mormon after it was stolen it's ultimately replaced by the small plates

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of Nephi and those small plates We Now cover four and a half centuries yeah

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okay so that tells us how much we're missing from the Lost pages of Mormon's abridgement right the first 450 years of

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it now when Mormon condenses the history of the Nephites does his abridgement

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right he covers the first 600 years up till Christ and then he covers the next

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320 years until he was a child and he begins not abridging other people's

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record but telling his own story right so you put those together that's about 900 years well 450 years is exactly half

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of 900. so we are missing the first half

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of Mormon's abridgement so take any book right take take my book take the books

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that you guys have written rip out the first half then create just have somebody do just

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like a short summary in a few pages of that first half and then try reading the

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second half and see how much sense it makes right you will be you will get a lot of it but you will be missing a lot

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that the author intended you to get sure and so this was what started me looking into what can we know about what was in

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those lost Pages because I want to understand the Book of Mormon text that we do have so that means we have to

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figure out something about what was in those lost pages right and so how do you

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write a book about a lost book yeah all right this is a question that I gotten

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from a lot of people when I was working on it they were like wouldn't that have to be a really short book you know and

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in fact as you can see no not really um yeah it ended up being much longer

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than I expected I I originally was joking that I was going to try to make it exactly 116 pages and then it just

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yeah and so we can piece together some of what was in those lost pages in part

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because we have the part of the Book of Mormon text that we do have right if if

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we were missing the entire book obviously it would be much harder the entire Book of Mormon to reconstruct

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things from yeah but because we have the rest of the book where Mormon picked up

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his narrative after those lost pages and then we have the the small plates

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that replace those lost pages that gives us a lot of Clues to go from just there

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right so there are references in the Book of Mormon text that we have like um excuse me where it talks about an alma

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10 about there's this guy there was this guy a minidai who had interpreted the writing that was on the uh wall of the

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temple yeah that's God yeah this sounds totally epic right this is like Daniel

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uh amulex like ancestors yeah so so we know that he

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lived a long time before amulet right but a descendant of Nephi zone right so

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and this sounds totally epic right like like God writing on his finger with his finger on those stone tablets up on

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Sinai right or Daniel interpreting writing in the for the Babylonians so

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why why do we just have this little later mention as if we should already

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know about this well you know it's the he says it was the same Amino die who had interpreted the writing by the

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Finger of God on the wall of the temple well the same amenidai that means you're supposed to already know who a minute I is this is supposed to be a familiar

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story yeah well the reason is that that story was in the Lost pages of the Book

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of Mormon and so then we don't have the full story but we have a reference back

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to it but that rep that reference back to it becomes one of our Clues to what was in the last pages well we know

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there's a story about the cemented eye guy yeah yeah when when chemish was like writing things down I was like yeah

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not much to see here you know Jerry was like the most disappointing Prophet he's like yeah we had lots of

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Revelations and I I'm not gonna bother writing him down yeah I don't care so I got a question for you one of the things

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that intrigued me um when one of my buddies was in his process of going and active and reading the CES letter and still thinking that a

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thin veneer Evac Damia that lacks the verifiability thereof was actually a legitimate piece of uh science

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um I remember we were talking about Temple scroll q11 and and what I love and we talked about the nature of

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epistemology how you can know things okay and and I I just love how so many times just like Indiana Jones having to

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walk and step onto the unseeable bridge as his proverbial Act of Faith was rewarded physically after the display of

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his faith in his father's notebook right um I think oftentimes the Lord kind of

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wants Faith first and then rewards physical evidence second and one of those big examples was when they found Temple scroll q11 which was most likely

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written by the essenes and had a lot of the subsets and a lot of the um exceptions to the rules in the law of

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Moses as they perceived um that refuted a lot of anti-mormon claims in the first you know 10 pages of

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the Book of Mormon when Lehigh makes a three days journey outside of Jerusalem he builds an altar offers sacrifices of

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gravity gratitude and a lot of people back then said oh this is completely this is garbage there's no way the law

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of Moses would permit this yeah yeah this and that and they there's discredit the book for science right because that

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was against um everything they knew about the law of Moses at the time fast forward the nagamadi library has found library at

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qumran the Dead Sea Scrolls at large are found and all of a sudden all of these kind of exceptions to those Rules by

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these varying sects are discovered and one of them on Temple scroll q11 said if you're more than a three days journey away from the city of Jerusalem not only

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are you allowed to but you're expected to make sacrifices of gratitude and the reason why was simply mathematical if

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you're three days out you're also three days in and in a six days journey if you had to go back to Jerusalem in order to

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make your burn to offerings you would run the risk of uh falling upon thieves or bad weather weather and would thus be

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violating the Sabbath so three days out you should actually offer burnt offerings and there's no way Joseph

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Smith could have known this when he was translating The Book of Mormon but for the people that had taken

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moroni's promise and had a spiritual experience with the Book of Mormon and known of its truthfulness and stuck

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along they ultimately were rewarded with physical evidence afterwards right are there any

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uh apocryphal stories found in the Lost Gospel of Thomas or Philip or these

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millions of gospels they're finding in the Dead Sea Scrolls right are there any other um uh like just like there used to be

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Josephus and tertullian and you know all these other uh secular historical writers and and family are there any

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other apocryphal stories in any other lost books that have matched anything that was in like the Lost 116 Pages

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where you think oh these two things are correlating just like Temple scroll q11 correlated with those first chapters in

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The Book of Mormon well one thing that I can think of not exactly that but like you're probably

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somewhat familiar with the work of biblical scholar Margaret Barker I've heard the name she makes arguments about

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what Israelite religion looked like before the Babylonian exile before the Babylonians came and kick butt and you

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know like ship the Israelites the Jews out burnt out the eyeballs of uziah

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right right right which is actually right where the Book of Mormon starts right immediately before that yeah and

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and I want to come back to that um so um in her work she talks about what their

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religion looked like how there was uh sort of a concept of a divine feminine

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and other things right and there was like a greater freedom for people to do

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sacrifices outside of the Temple and so on and what we can see in the Book of

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Mormon and particularly what can be pieced together from the Lost Pages actually supports that it actually

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Israelite religion as it's presented in the Book of Mormon and the particularly

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what we can know of the Lost Pages seems to match Israelite religion before the Exxon particularly before the reform of

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Josiah which was during the lifetime of Lehi so something that emerges as we

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look at the stories that we can reconstruct from the Lost pages that adds some weight to the Book of Mormon

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and like actually reframes kind of what the Book of Mormon is about has to do

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with there's actually a kind of Festival Jewish Festival context for the opening

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events of the Book of Mormon oh rock on it so okay so I mentioned that some of

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the clues that we have are in the Book of Mormon tax we've also got uh early

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Revelations that allude to things that were in the Lost pages and we've got accounts where people talk about it so

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you've got in 1856 Emer Harris Brother Martin Harris he came out here to Utah

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as a pioneer he's giving a talk at a state conference and he's talking about the coming forth The Book of Mormon and

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he says I will now tell you some of the things that were in the pages that were lost well how would he know this he's Martin

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Harris's brother Martin Harris is subscribe for the Lost pages and Emer Harris direct ancestor of Dallin Harris

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Oaks by the way who's that oh [Laughter]

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so he he gives a little bit about how the mulekites escaped from the Babylonians he says that mulik wasn't

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alone there were several women there were four men and four women from the Royal household who hid from the

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Babylonians and they were able to make their way out of the area right and escape to the New World

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um wait so you know a legit story that was in the Lost 116 pages

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and I'm still sitting through my 15th iteration of the stupid Thomas B

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Marsh bucket of cream story when when I go to freaking Sunday school like can we

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substitute Church office building person in charge of the manuals rid of that 15th version of the Thomas B

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Marsh bucket of cream story and what did you just do Josh what did you just do right over my head right in my head yeah

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maybe this is a brick of my cultural thing all right but there's this guy Thomas B Marsh that supposedly got so

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offended about something having to do with a bucket of cream they like went inactive how can you not remember it was

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milk strippings after hearing it this many times yeah but just like because I

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tune out the second I hear okay don't be like Thomas B Martian be so pridefully you'll lose your membership of the

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church over milk strippings it sounds delicious yeah

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way to opacity yes so man let's let's switch out what

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you know mulik was doing with the secret society of of of Lady assassins or

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whatever it was that you were about to say I was just pumping punching up the story

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you know what I'm saying like there was a chick version of tea outcome that looked a lot like Zoe Saldana oh my God

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you don't even need to read the rest of the book you've already got it yeah I'm buying the rights to that you know

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what I'm saying Eva Longoria and Zoli Saldana are now the the the the the two Nephi testes or whatever you know so one

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of the stories we've got from what was in the last page is one of our sources Joseph Smith's father Justice miss

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senior okay so he's interviewed in 1830 before the Book of Mormon comes off the press there's just a local guy he's

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actually a cousin to the Martin Harris family he comes to the Smith home he's like hey I want to find out about this

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book but I can't read it yet there's just a Smith Senior tells this guy Fayette La phone he tells them about the

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coming forth of the Book of Mormon all kinds of details some of which are garbled but some that we can confirm

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from other sources that he wouldn't have had and then he starts telling the story in the Book of Mormon and this is where

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it gets interesting right because at first he's just like telling the story that we have that we all know whether

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it's this prophet in ancient Israel and God warned him to go out into the Wilderness and take his family so they

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wouldn't be destroyed and they Journey out three days toward the Red Sea and you know they're led by this ball and so

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on right but he says um in the process he's talking about the brass play it's like the guy sends his

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son back he only remembers one son but the guy sends his son back and the son is gonna get uh This Record that someone

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else has and he like finds the guy drunk in the street after the guy won't first

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give him the record he takes out a sword he even remembers the part about like how he struck by the how beautiful the

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hilt of the sword was well he adds to this that a reason why

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the guy was drunk now our Book of Mormon text doesn't say why he was drunk right he did say he

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hung out with the Elders of the Jews right which I'll come back to right so it doesn't but it doesn't say why he was drunk specifically right so this guy

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says uh Joseph Smith Senior says this guy that Laban was drunk because there was a

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great feast going on at Jerusalem at the time like a religious Festival yeah do

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we know which one that's the good question right so um this is an inner Book of Mormon text

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but it would fit right because Laban wasn't just out with Drinking Buddies he is out with the Elders of the Jews

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there's a religious context here right I mean if you're out drinking with the Elders of the Jews those are some high-profile drinking bodies yeah right

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yeah so uh he's also pretty dang dressed up to go out drinking yeah wearing his

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armor this sounds like a Church of Jesus Christ story not necessarily A Word of Wisdom story

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oh that's funny

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he's got a sword why is this sounds pretty formal he's out drinking uh when

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so do you think his armor was ceremonial then yeah so so there are other things

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in the text that would fit with this being a ceremonial Festival context so then the question well what was the

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festival yeah right so when um he gets back out into the world well

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right before Nephi comes back from the Wilderness lehime does a sacrifice right

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after he gets back Lehigh does a sacrifice which again suggests that there could be a festival context right

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and remember Lehigh's Journey here is like an exodus

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right he's like other people I've noticed Lehigh is like Moses he's leading his people through the Wilderness to the promised land they

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call well that's that's the language of The Exodus Lehigh is a new Moses oh wow how does The Exodus start what is the

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event that kicks off Passover right when the Egyptian questions finally let the

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Israelites go they let them go at Passover right well well Nephi when he

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is talking to his brothers about Laban he Compares Laban to the Egyptians yeah

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yeah he Compares his Laban to the Egyptians and so we have an exodus

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Passover context in fact he talks about how the Egyptians were Laban will be

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destroyed like the Egyptians were destroyed at the Red Sea well in Jewish tradition like the eighth day of

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Passover celebrates The Parting of the Red Sea right so all this fits with a

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context of Passover when Lehigh is talking to his sons after this about

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how he had seen um the what he had seen envisioned he

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talks about the Lamb of this Messiah being the Lamb of God um Passover is all about the lamb which

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symbolizes the Lamb of God right yeah and then the Bible tells us so uh very

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opening verses of first Nephi we've all read them like a thousand times right now the most familiar versus in the

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entire Book of Mormon right I haven't even born in goodly parents so he says on verse 4

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um in the commencement of the first year of the reign of zedekiah king of Judah

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so when did zedekiah's Reign commence so this is we're so familiar with with this

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phrase and the commencement of the reign of the first year of the reign of zedekiah that we don't even really think about what it means yes right yeah so if

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you look in the Bible how does zedekiah's reign commence well the Babylonians come in and they actually

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depose the previous King zedekiah's uncle and they put zadakaya

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in in his place as the puppet King yeah and they do this it says in the Bible at

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the end of the calendar year so we're starting a new calendar year well the Jewish calendar and actually the

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Babylonian calendar proves this Babylonian records say that they sacked

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um they sent they did that first sack of Jerusalem at the end of the calendar year right so you're starting the new

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Jewish year with the month of Nisan that's the Passover month right so

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anyway you've got all kinds of other evidences that all point to the Book of Mormon is starting at Passover so we we

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put on the title page right the Book of Mormon another Testament of Jesus Christ then you open up the book and it doesn't

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look so much like it's talking directly about Jesus is talking mostly about this guy Lehigh and how his family was

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delivered and last you put it in its Passover contacts yeah right and you see that the

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Deliverance of lehi's family is symbolic of yeah the Deliverance of the World by

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the Lamb of God the Messiah and honestly that kind of helps I think contextualize Nephi's willingness to kill Laban if

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you're thinking of the way the angel of death took the firstborn in Egypt right

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like one it's better that one man would perish than that a nation would dwindle in unbelief right that's actually so

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that phrase that the spirit tells Nephi that is the exact language that Caiaphas

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uses at Passover about Jesus and it actually says that even though Caiaphas is wicked it says in the Gospel of John

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he was moved on by the spirit to say say that right yeah and so he's making this

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prophecy about the Messiah right well the same idea pops up the spirit tells

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Nephi the same thing Nephi is actually playing the role here of the Passover Angel of Death yeah and like whoa he

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just got so much more ba like we that needs inscribed on those armbands they

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put on him you know what I'm saying like I am the symbolic angel of death tattoos

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for Nephi yeah kind of like your cool one but just with like a skull and a

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scythe you know what I'm saying straight up like Nephi like you know I've always thought if I wanted to get a tattoo I've

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always wanted to get like a ba one of like Oran Porter Rockwell and then Joseph Smith and then that sick quote

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that says like no one hallowed hand can stop this word Calamity made to fame mobs May combine and so that way if some

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you know Mormons that are like super Orthodox look at me kind of like side eye about like carton you got a tattoo I'd be like yeah it's of Joseph Smith

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and the angel of death verses in first Nephi you know that would be pretty sick

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right totally oh yeah yeah we're on board okay I'm glad we're all on board with this all right I have a question too but let's go I have a question yeah

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so Nephi and Lehigh both they prophesy that Jesus would come exactly 600 years

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after Lehi leaves Jerusalem right after their family leaves Jerusalem do you

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think that's to the day so it certainly seems in the text like

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it's intended to be now um just Jesus was born in in Passover

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season yeah so a couple people yeah right so a couple people what I actually

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make an argument based on the um yeah the calendar indications in the

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Book of Mormon text more of it that like supports that this happened at Passover

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that like Jesus's death was at Passover right yeah and they had that lehighs the

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events with Lehigh hundreds of years earlier were also a Passover now Randall spackman and Jerry Grover and others

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have done chronologies so the performance like calendars and they actually think that the if I understand

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correctly that the nephite calendar was a lunar calendar so the years would have

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only had like 360 days instead of 365 and so that would mean that over time

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you know every 18 years or so you would um lose a year

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you know what I'm saying yeah Mike um and so um oh yeah you'd gain an extra year I

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guess so uh it could be that it could I

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don't know it could be exact depending on how the years were counted or yeah well I got to tell you the scientists

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nowadays can't even agree on when the difference between BC and 80 actually started I mean some people say that

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Christ was born in 6 BC others say 0 a d no no

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BCE oh yeah a Common Era that we all know like the thing that happened that

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we don't address yeah that Common Era yeah it's it's pathetic it's like you know like I don't want

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it's the Common Era you know what I'm saying like it just like I hate the people that do that I'm totally editing

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out that insensitive reference I am total I am literally right to

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eleven man like I am editing this out with a bit there's a big note there you

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know what I said so hey card yeah so one of the big things about the Lost pages

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that has gotten used against Joseph Smith in the Book of Mormon okay is the

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whole idea that Lucy Harris took the manuscript and burned it this is obviously like the South Park episode

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right yeah okay you know uh Lucy Harris smart smart smart Martin Harris dumb right yeah okay and so uh one of the

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things I've looked at so so in the book the first half of the book or first third of the book is the history of the

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Lost pages so this is what do we know about like the come forth of the Lost Pages coming forth to the book more and more generally The Scribe so the last

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page just turns out Emma Smith our girl was the first scribe for the Book of Mormon the last pages right we can know

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that from things bummers you poisoned our boy screw her but no this is Brigham Young kind of rumor are you

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repeat it so um then I talk about the theft the manuscript theft and I look at all the

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sources on the manuscript that there's a lot of people just assume it's Lucy Harris and she Burns it and so there's

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they use that to then discount the idea that there was some sort of conspiracy and they say Joseph Smith was just

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trying to dodge having to re-translate right yeah so it turns out when I look

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at this I find lots of reasons to believe Lucy Harris did not take the manuscript and burn it really and one of

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the reasons I have a new source never been used before yeah Journal of William Wallace white okay what a name this guy

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cool name right yeah right William Wallace yeah so William Wallace white www yeah uh

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anticipating the internet there but uh uh he heard Martin Harris's Son Martin

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Harris Jr talk Martin Jr told the story of the manuscript theft as his father had he

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said his father had told it to him over and over and over right so he related it and he said his father actually at First

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suspected Lucy Harris his wife of having taken that manuscript not of having

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burnip having hidden it or something and then the wife she dies young she dies at the

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age of 40 in 1836. yeah didn't you say it was like on her death bed on her death bed see I did read your book on

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her deathbed she says she she did not know

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what had happened to that manuscript that she didn't know anything about it she was a Quaker right in she was a

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Quaker okay and in quakerism you are not supposed to swear an oath ever because

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everything you say is supposed to be as if you were under oath now in the 19th

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century I actually just found this out from an attorney but like in the 19th century

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um and up until actually like the 1970s or something deathbed testimony was

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admissible in court because it was assumed that when you were dying when you were about to go meet God you would

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not lie and so here we have a devout Quaker whose whole religious Faith tells

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her like you never lie yeah right and then on her deathbed she's saying one me

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I don't I don't know what happened to those that totally convinced Martin Harris even though the two of them were

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a straight completely estranged for like eight years yeah he became one he heard that from his kids he became totally

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convinced well then it wasn't her because it couldn't have been her yeah wow so do we know who it was or have a

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clue so we do have Clues so we have suspects right and I spend part of my chapter four is I like going through

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I've got 40 some odd sources about the theft and then I've got like um some

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suspects so one of the suspects would be the Harris's son-in-law they had a son-in-law Flanders Dyke

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he sounds suspicious just by his he's toast man he's toast so that guy two

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years after the manuscript disappears there's a notice in the newspaper that says Flanders diet has skipped town with

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a thousand dollars other people's goods and money what okay and then several

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years later there's something about him escaping from jail that's in the newspaper okay and the newspaper article

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also says he came from a family of swindlers and it lists the various swindles that like his father and his

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brothers had done in the couple years before that well we've got indication from Lucy Max Smith that this guy at one

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point had stolen the anthon transcript really already know that he's stealing

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documents related to the coming forth of the Book of Mormon why wouldn't you have stolen the Lost

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pages I love 1800s newspapers where you could just cast aspersions on people

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just randomly like all of these anti-mormons that we know have done all these heinous things and abuses and so

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on and so forth but are like hidden behind this weird shroud of verifiable Academia or whatever and plausible

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deniability and probability imagine if we could just write that oh we all know X is just a bad person it comes from a

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long line of swindlers you know that would be just absolutely internet life

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this is what you would have been you would have been one of those newspapers a muckraker or Excellence yeah no I'm

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just kidding I would have gone out there newspaper no I would have been out there with orange Rockwell yeah no Ward

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newsletter newsletter

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the the stuff that you're talking about that we can guess and see was in the

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last 116 Pages because of the depth that that adds to the story of The Book of Mormon which to me I don't know for for

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me thinking about having written a book myself now that level of depth

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holy crap that Joseph Smith would have just made that up like that adds even

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more to my testimony that like yeah no Joseph Smith didn't just come up with

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the Book of Mormon on his own here or anyone else yeah there's so many interesting deep parallels that's like

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even if you give the guy years to be planning this all at once and then like

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to just dictate it even if he had co-authors which actually would have made it harder like it I don't know it

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just adds so much to me that like this is a divinely inspired book so I got a

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question for you man because um you know we're unfortunately we're gonna have a heart out here in like five minutes okay

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um was there anything that you researched in doing your

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homework for this book okay they just really blew your mind or blew to Pieces

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any of these anti-mormon arguments that we're constantly getting levied at us you know one of the biggest things that

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people like about our channel uh whether they're brighamites bickertonites you know strangers whatever all manner of

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ites you know they they love the debunkings that we do of some of these really just cruel and cynical and toxic

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anti-mormons right um was there anything that when you were doing research for this you just thought

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like oh whoa this blows this Theory out of the water and I have a feeling Brad's gonna answer the question for you I mean

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just while you're thinking of your response I I I feel like what you already mentioned about the like the

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details of what went on with Martin's actual loss of the 116 pages is so much deeper than the way it gets

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portrayed in the media like

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men of that South Park episode of dum dum dum dum dum like that isn't even close to the way that it went down they

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just put in all of this like oh this was what everyone's intents were and it's so

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clear and it's like no they left out so many important details by the way I love how Josh is like boxing out I am ready

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he's boxing people out he's like established I'm next I'm next baby you

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know okay but yeah I think that that alone is a huge huge refutation of a lot

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of the anti-arguments we already get yeah well to piggyback on that at 10 000 feet to oversimplify Don's book but like

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one of my takeaways while I was reading through it was the fact that okay we have another manuscript tied to the

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Golden Plates that are coming forth with multiple independent attestation from non-believers and Believers alike okay

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so you have when you look at the biblical manuscripts we go back and we're 150 years in before you get a

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little piece of a thing that came from a garbage dump that has a little bit of Matthew and another one that has a

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little bit of John and here we have a third manuscript that brings us into the halls of the room where the Book of

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Mormon is coming forth and so for me the evidence that Dawn brings out of both the details and the context of the story

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validates the fact that we actually did have a manuscript with as Dawn argues

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over 116 pages and with that it is a third manuscript tied directly to the

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coming fourth of the Book of Mormon which is an unbelievably strong evidence for its existence and the existence of

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the Golden Plates yeah totally yeah his mic drop was almost better than yours Doug almost it was like a close SEC it

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was a box you know so now now Don you've got to beat it yeah dude for real so so

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it came up earlier that uh Brad and Sean in their books their books both have dragons in them and that makes me feel

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like I'm

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